Webley Paradigm

[creeper]

I've been looking at the new Webley Paradigm (http://shootingshow.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=469:w ebley-air-guns&catid=11:full-exhibitor-list&Itemid=72) single pump pneumatic. The idea of PCP grade accuracy in a self-contained package that runs near 12 ft.lbs is kinda interesting to me. I'm not too thrilled about the possible $1000 cost in the US, should they sell them here... but I still might pony up if they become available.

http://shootingshow.co.uk/images/stories/site_images/Webley-Venom-paradigm.jpg

Anyone else have an interest in this gun? Comments positive or negative?

Cheers,
C

[MarvC]

Creeper,
I would ante up just a few more dollars and for support equipment (tank or pump) and go with the AA PCP guns. They are tried and proven offering excellent quality for the same price as the Webley gun wise. Just my thoughts...

[creeper]

I've considered PCPs a few times, but I have a psychological aversion to them that I have no desire to overcome.

In the past 30 years I've spent enormous amounts of money competing in centerfire benchrest, 3-gun and rifle silhouette. I was a type 'A' uber-competitive "gamer" and no expense was too great, no possible advantage too far out of reach. The amount of time I've spent prepping cases, building rifles, loading ammunition is all time I'll never get back.
The point is, I've purposely gotten away from all that to simplify my life, and my fear is that to buy a PCP would be going in the wrong direction... back into the money no object gamer direction. So, if it's not self-contained I don't want anything to do with it.

That may sound crazy and silly, and from certain perspectives it is crazy and silly... but if you walked a mile in my moccasins, you'd probably get it.

Cheers,
C

[MarvC]

I can fully understand your thoughts...Been down the same road several times myself. Makes mucho sense to me..

[creeper]

I can fully understand your thoughts...Been down the same road several times myself. Makes mucho sense to me..

Well that's good to know Marv... now I don't feel quite as much the odd man out. I've had others tell me to "grow up" and get with the programe, as though my decisions are somehow childish. Quite the contrary I feel.

I really like my springers and the "idea" of springers. As irritating as they can be sometimes, they are still simple devices... Pull lever, insert pellet, close lever, shoot. It don't get much more uncomplicated than that. :)

Cheers,
C

[HappyCamper]

Sure looks like an interesting gun. Any news on a FAC version? I'm almost ready to drop 1k on an AA PCP, and what's stopping me from pulling the trigger are those "embedded" PCP gear...

[ken r]

pcp so far are not my thing. I am too old to use a pump. There might be a dive shop somewhere around here but in the desert diving is not a local sport. To get the tank filled is still too big of a problem. the country of their origin bothers me a little. The concept is interesting though.

ken r

[Xristos]

The nearest scuba shop for filling diving bottles is 50 kilometers ,one way ! Some times i am tired of the spring rifles recoil even if they are 12 ftlbs and i wand to make some relaxing shots with absolute no vibrations and match trigger . I use to shoot my Baikal 532 SSP 10m rifle . If Paradigm has this two rules, is a must try it ,air rifle for me . I have read that is capable for FAC power levels but i dont now about the effort of cocking in 17-18-ftlbs and in which cal this power is.

[creeper]

I guess many of us will be watching and waiting to see what happens next. If they do produce and sell them in the states, I'd be very interested in purchasing one... but they'll have to demonstrate a modest history of reliability, durrability and accuracy before I'll lay down my $1K.

C

[JohnnySweden]

Im dubful to the success of this model in my native country.

Here we have a 8.00 ft/lbs powerlimit on free airguns and everything above this limit requires a gun permit.

They are just as hard to get for a 10 ft/lbs rifle as a 100 ft/lbs rifle so most shooters wont waste on for a 12 or 19 ft/lbs rifle..

For free airguns, such as my own CZ200, a PCP will give tons of shots so this makes handpumping no problems (about 120 shots within a 25 fps spread).

[Parallax]

I gotta admit, this rifle does look interesting to me. To have pcp-level accuracy and shootability in a rifle that still puts out 12 fpe is very enticing. So many people scoff at 12 fpe like it's worthless and like they need 40 fpe to do anything meaningful, but I get incredible use out of 12 fpe. I agree with Chris though, i'm into springers for the exact same reason. I've always been a 'Type A' in just about everything I do and totally see myself getting out of control with a pcp, thousands of dollars on a single rifle with equipment, all free time dumped into it, etc...etc... so i've had an aversion to them from the beginning for that purpose I guess. I suppose it would be different if my experience showed that shooting springers was unrewarding and that they just weren't very accurate and/or couldn't be taken seriously or hunted with seriously like many of the guys on the yellow forum constantly seem to report(some of those guys must really be struggling with their shooting skill if they can't get a TX, HW97K or R9 to shoot accurately or something.....) and have a negative sentiment about regarding springers, but that just has in no way been my experience. Every one of my springers have been just an absolute delight to shoot and are just ridiculously accurate and I guess they've just fullfilled all my current desires in an airgun and still do. I know i'll eventually buy a pcp because I do want to take in the whole experience, but for now, it's just so nice to grab a TX, HW97K, R9, HW50S, simply cock it, load a pellet and drive tacks with them and admire their build quality and beauty at the same time. ;)

[JohnnySweden]

Infact 12 ft/lbs is a lot...

I almost always use a 6 ft/lbs 200 when shooting airguns, works for about everything...

[Ambush Hunter]

I gotta admit, this rifle does look interesting to me. To have pcp-level accuracy and shootability in a rifle that still puts out 12 fpe is very enticing. So many people scoff at 12 fpe like it's worthless and like they need 40 fpe to do anything meaningful, but I get incredible use out of 12 fpe. I agree with Chris though, i'm into springers for the exact same reason. I've always been a 'Type A' in just about everything I do and totally see myself getting out of control with a pcp, thousands of dollars on a single rifle with equipment, all free time dumped into it, etc...etc... so i've had an aversion to them from the beginning for that purpose I guess. I suppose it would be different if my experience showed that shooting springers was unrewarding and that they just weren't very accurate and/or couldn't be taken seriously or hunted with seriously like many of the guys on the yellow forum constantly seem to report(some of those guys must really be struggling with their shooting skill if they can't get a TX, HW97K or R9 to shoot accurately or something.....) and have a negative sentiment about regarding springers, but that just has in no way been my experience. Every one of my springers have been just an absolute delight to shoot and are just ridiculously accurate and I guess they've just fullfilled all my current desires in an airgun and still do. I know i'll eventually buy a pcp because I do want to take in the whole experience, but for now, it's just so nice to grab a TX, HW97K, R9, HW50S, simply cock it, load a pellet and drive tacks with them and admire their build quality and beauty at the same time. ;)

PCPs SUCK! :cool: No, they don't have that kind of a personality German and UK springers have, but let me tell you something else....for ambush hunting, sitting in the hide, waiting out conceiled, a PCP is the best tool for the job, especially for long range shots and on spooky game. There are no movements on your part, only the bolt/lever is moving. Coupled with a good shroud, it's the best surgical tool an airgun hunter can have. As far as filling equipment, well, you only buy it once and the same equipment can be used for all other PCPs. There is always a Hill pump if there are no scuba/painball stores around.